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Experience on Student Exchange from IIM – Respect or Inferiority?

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charankvi

Unique perspective to Foreign exchange...kudos to the two of you..

25 Jan 2012, 12.51 AM

reuban

Good article..but i sensed a bit of haughtiness when you'l described yourselves. A person is not defined by the company he /she works for or has an offer from.Sometimes I have noticed we Indians need to blow our own trumpet. Humility never hurt anyone . It was a good read nonetheless.

25 Jan 2012, 01.07 AM

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Rockey

Dear Reuban, I guess you haven't been inside a B-school PPO's & Achievements are all we use to differentiate between people. :(....Initially even I was taken back but gradually my ears got used to it.

25 Jan 2012, 08.50 AM |

Team InsideIIM

@reuban - We encourage all our writers to tell more about themselves to the readers. You'll find it across articles on this website. Its interesting you find it 'blowing your own trumpet'. It is a practice you shall find prevalent in international publications and business dailies in India. However, your feedback has been duly noted.

25 Jan 2012, 01.13 AM

Sanjay

I would say this a case of overthinking things, yes we do admire the west not because we are subservient of them, because of the advancement in technology and the efficiency of the public service there. The droop in shoulders is more the case of lack of sports and bad posture nothing more. I was part of the exchange programme and the thing that is very clear to me is that there is no presssure on you to follow the herd, students actually attend classes even after the final exam of the course , because the profeessor said that the course study would be imcomplete without the last class. I do have Indonesian friends and am proud to say I am hanging out with one, we dont differentiate nepalese, pakistani or any other people from the Indian sub continent simply because ethnically we look the same, so telling that only sounds racist ! I understand people want to look at things differently, but really stop and think how different is different.

25 Jan 2012, 01.22 AM

reuban

@TeamInsideIIM:Which international publiations list their author's pre placement offers? Knowing about a person's college and interests should be suffice,right? I know it may sound trivial but since it was an article about how Indians act subservient to their Western peers,it also true Indians indulge in upmanship consciously and unconscionably at every given opportunity.My uncle who works in German firm mentions this a lot too! I do not usually comment on such forums but I have noticed this behavior a lot and just wanted to point it out.

25 Jan 2012, 01.41 AM

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Team InsideIIM

College,B-School,Companies and Hobbies. These are standard things we encourage all writers to mention. And we never edit their profiles. It is up to the writer to frame it in a way they are comfortable. Like we mentioned before , the feedback has been noted. Its the first time we have come across this view point and we shall consider it in our next meeting. Thanks!

25 Jan 2012, 08.16 AM |

Stump the guru

Interesting read! I sense a lot of verity in your writing. I am a Pakistani based abroad, and I have also come to feel that subcontinent people generally tend to behave in a rather subservient manner when it concerns interaction with westerners. This is despite the fact that most of these guys are extremely well educated which only goes on to suggest how deeply stemmed it is in our culture. The obsession is almost to the point of paranoia.

25 Jan 2012, 01.52 AM

Chirri

Hi, I think the views articulated in this article present only one side of the coin. It's wrong to believe that Indians feel subservient to the Westerners. I am a 2nd year B School student and was abroad for my summer internship and noticed that Indians who had grown up the ladder and were in senior positions were one of the most arrogant people on the office floor. While people from other countries ( Australia & US) were very humble. When we show respect towards foreigners and talk to them politely it's not that we in anyways we feel inferior to them, it's just that we Indians consider ourselves good at heart and don't like to hurt others. We have had a long culture of treating strangers with warmth and this is what we still are good at. The authors have been away for student exchange so I guess they didn't get to know a lot about the abroad B school students who came to India for exchange program. They were extremely gentle in talking to us and I was humbled by their behaviour. So its too harsh a statement to say that we Indians are bounded by shackles of inferiority. Perhaps the authors had such a predisposition and these events just confirmed them. So I would urge them to get rid of any biases and be receptive to thoughts which go against their prejudices.

25 Jan 2012, 02.50 AM

charankvi

@All, while all that you may say about how the organization you work doesn't define you, the hard truth is that we all fall for this trap one time or the other. How many times have you gone ahead and paid a premium for that elite brand of products? How many times have you aspired for a company, not just because the pay or work is good, but it gives you a good social image. How many times have you judged someone just because she/he is not from the top institutes? Two big reasons authors are encouraged to mention their profiles in an opinion-driven forum is because: 1. It lends credibility to what they tell. You are surely not going to hear gyaan from someone who isn't accomplished enough 2. It also puts in perspective the background of the author so that any biases that may be prevalent can be rationalized by the reader. Hope that clears it.

25 Jan 2012, 11.32 AM

Ankit Doshi

I sincerely hope the discussion on this thread continues further only on the content in the article and not on the content in the signature. Enough has been discussed on it and the Team has noted the feedback. I agree with Shaurya and Kanupriya in parts having had some similar experiences on my exchange term at Switzerland and also during my work visits abroad in recent times. But I also would like to say that there is a marked shift in the behaviour of a lot of Indians now as compared to earlier. It is a slow process where we are increasingly becoming more comfortable in our own skin. With time, this fascination for everything western will also drop rapidly.

25 Jan 2012, 12.31 PM

rahul

Dude my advice to you is that relax and take a chill pill three times a day. Just because you are from some IIM crap dosen't give you the right to be arrogant. I too have been abroad for internships and I must say you represent a very repressive and narrow-minded point of view. Grow up.

25 Jan 2012, 07.06 PM

Shaurya Ahuja

I would firstly like to thank you all for expressing your frank opinions. While not all of them are in agreement with ours, we respect your views. This topic is inherently such that it sends passions flaring and polarized opinions are bound to generate this kind of response. The article is based solely on our experiences during the exchange programme and we understand that others could have had completely different experiences. The sole purpose of this article is to ensure that every one of us visiting a foreign land is mindful of such things. In no way are we implying that we need to be high headed or arrogant. All we are trying to say is that we should look at them as equals and we believe that this leads to the formation of more meaningful and longstanding relationships with our friends overseas. India is poised to be a Global Superpower in the near future. While all of us believe in the Indian growth story, we need to be ambassadors of this story.

26 Jan 2012, 08.24 AM

Himanshu

Like the article; and from the comments I see that I'm not the only one who had a re-look at the authors' 'About me'. I like it that you "encourage all our writers to tell more about themselves to the readers"; and well, this is just how the authors chose to tell about themselves (like it or leave it). Impressive achievements; since I've been to one of those so-called top B-schools myself (care for which alphabet?) and I know everybody talks (brags) about a 'Pappu' on campus. Nevertheless, I probably would have done the same thing if I wrote an article while I was on campus.

29 Jan 2012, 12.35 AM

civilprincess

Too good! Nice to read! :D Cool..

3 Dec 2012, 10.42 PM

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Comments
 

charankvi

Unique perspective to Foreign exchange...kudos to the two of you..

25 Jan 2012, 12.51 AM

reuban

Good article..but i sensed a bit of haughtiness when you'l described yourselves. A person is not defined by the company he /she works for or has an offer from.Sometimes I have noticed we Indians need to blow our own trumpet. Humility never hurt anyone . It was a good read nonetheless.

25 Jan 2012, 01.07 AM

+Read Replies (1)

Rockey

Dear Reuban, I guess you haven't been inside a B-school PPO's & Achievements are all we use to differentiate between people. :(....Initially even I was taken back but gradually my ears got used to it.

25 Jan 2012, 08.50 AM |

Team InsideIIM

@reuban - We encourage all our writers to tell more about themselves to the readers. You'll find it across articles on this website. Its interesting you find it 'blowing your own trumpet'. It is a practice you shall find prevalent in international publications and business dailies in India. However, your feedback has been duly noted.

25 Jan 2012, 01.13 AM

Sanjay

I would say this a case of overthinking things, yes we do admire the west not because we are subservient of them, because of the advancement in technology and the efficiency of the public service there. The droop in shoulders is more the case of lack of sports and bad posture nothing more. I was part of the exchange programme and the thing that is very clear to me is that there is no presssure on you to follow the herd, students actually attend classes even after the final exam of the course , because the profeessor said that the course study would be imcomplete without the last class. I do have Indonesian friends and am proud to say I am hanging out with one, we dont differentiate nepalese, pakistani or any other people from the Indian sub continent simply because ethnically we look the same, so telling that only sounds racist ! I understand people want to look at things differently, but really stop and think how different is different.

25 Jan 2012, 01.22 AM

reuban

@TeamInsideIIM:Which international publiations list their author's pre placement offers? Knowing about a person's college and interests should be suffice,right? I know it may sound trivial but since it was an article about how Indians act subservient to their Western peers,it also true Indians indulge in upmanship consciously and unconscionably at every given opportunity.My uncle who works in German firm mentions this a lot too! I do not usually comment on such forums but I have noticed this behavior a lot and just wanted to point it out.

25 Jan 2012, 01.41 AM

+Read Replies (1)

Team InsideIIM

College,B-School,Companies and Hobbies. These are standard things we encourage all writers to mention. And we never edit their profiles. It is up to the writer to frame it in a way they are comfortable. Like we mentioned before , the feedback has been noted. Its the first time we have come across this view point and we shall consider it in our next meeting. Thanks!

25 Jan 2012, 08.16 AM |

Stump the guru

Interesting read! I sense a lot of verity in your writing. I am a Pakistani based abroad, and I have also come to feel that subcontinent people generally tend to behave in a rather subservient manner when it concerns interaction with westerners. This is despite the fact that most of these guys are extremely well educated which only goes on to suggest how deeply stemmed it is in our culture. The obsession is almost to the point of paranoia.

25 Jan 2012, 01.52 AM

Chirri

Hi, I think the views articulated in this article present only one side of the coin. It's wrong to believe that Indians feel subservient to the Westerners. I am a 2nd year B School student and was abroad for my summer internship and noticed that Indians who had grown up the ladder and were in senior positions were one of the most arrogant people on the office floor. While people from other countries ( Australia & US) were very humble. When we show respect towards foreigners and talk to them politely it's not that we in anyways we feel inferior to them, it's just that we Indians consider ourselves good at heart and don't like to hurt others. We have had a long culture of treating strangers with warmth and this is what we still are good at. The authors have been away for student exchange so I guess they didn't get to know a lot about the abroad B school students who came to India for exchange program. They were extremely gentle in talking to us and I was humbled by their behaviour. So its too harsh a statement to say that we Indians are bounded by shackles of inferiority. Perhaps the authors had such a predisposition and these events just confirmed them. So I would urge them to get rid of any biases and be receptive to thoughts which go against their prejudices.

25 Jan 2012, 02.50 AM

charankvi

@All, while all that you may say about how the organization you work doesn't define you, the hard truth is that we all fall for this trap one time or the other. How many times have you gone ahead and paid a premium for that elite brand of products? How many times have you aspired for a company, not just because the pay or work is good, but it gives you a good social image. How many times have you judged someone just because she/he is not from the top institutes? Two big reasons authors are encouraged to mention their profiles in an opinion-driven forum is because: 1. It lends credibility to what they tell. You are surely not going to hear gyaan from someone who isn't accomplished enough 2. It also puts in perspective the background of the author so that any biases that may be prevalent can be rationalized by the reader. Hope that clears it.

25 Jan 2012, 11.32 AM

Ankit Doshi

I sincerely hope the discussion on this thread continues further only on the content in the article and not on the content in the signature. Enough has been discussed on it and the Team has noted the feedback. I agree with Shaurya and Kanupriya in parts having had some similar experiences on my exchange term at Switzerland and also during my work visits abroad in recent times. But I also would like to say that there is a marked shift in the behaviour of a lot of Indians now as compared to earlier. It is a slow process where we are increasingly becoming more comfortable in our own skin. With time, this fascination for everything western will also drop rapidly.

25 Jan 2012, 12.31 PM

rahul

Dude my advice to you is that relax and take a chill pill three times a day. Just because you are from some IIM crap dosen't give you the right to be arrogant. I too have been abroad for internships and I must say you represent a very repressive and narrow-minded point of view. Grow up.

25 Jan 2012, 07.06 PM

Shaurya Ahuja

I would firstly like to thank you all for expressing your frank opinions. While not all of them are in agreement with ours, we respect your views. This topic is inherently such that it sends passions flaring and polarized opinions are bound to generate this kind of response. The article is based solely on our experiences during the exchange programme and we understand that others could have had completely different experiences. The sole purpose of this article is to ensure that every one of us visiting a foreign land is mindful of such things. In no way are we implying that we need to be high headed or arrogant. All we are trying to say is that we should look at them as equals and we believe that this leads to the formation of more meaningful and longstanding relationships with our friends overseas. India is poised to be a Global Superpower in the near future. While all of us believe in the Indian growth story, we need to be ambassadors of this story.

26 Jan 2012, 08.24 AM

Himanshu

Like the article; and from the comments I see that I'm not the only one who had a re-look at the authors' 'About me'. I like it that you "encourage all our writers to tell more about themselves to the readers"; and well, this is just how the authors chose to tell about themselves (like it or leave it). Impressive achievements; since I've been to one of those so-called top B-schools myself (care for which alphabet?) and I know everybody talks (brags) about a 'Pappu' on campus. Nevertheless, I probably would have done the same thing if I wrote an article while I was on campus.

29 Jan 2012, 12.35 AM

civilprincess

Too good! Nice to read! :D Cool..

3 Dec 2012, 10.42 PM