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Miti Vaidya

Miti Vaidya is an alumnus of XLRI School of Business (Batch of 2011). She is currently loving her job as Product Manager of Konversations.com and is part of the leadership team at InsideIIM-Konversations. Prior to this, Miti spent 5 years with the Tata Group as part of the prestigious TAS programme. A graduate from Narsee Monjee College of Commerce & Economics (Batch of 2007), Miti has also completed her C.A.

Uncomfortable, but nevertheless relevant questions.

24 Apr 2017, 02.54 AM

Mohammad Kashif

1. Target - To get everyone placed 2. Violent shouting, haven't faced that. It does feel sometimes that they are bit pushy but then they have a tough job. 3. Free and fair to a great extent yes. There are times when they do favor someone but come placement week be rest assured these people would push for you in companies where you were not even shortlisted (you wont consider that unfair would you? ) 4. To be honest this question reeks of hypocrisy now. Main purpose of any educational institution is to impart education. Jobs are a fringe benefits. You must try studying in US colleges where they don't provide this "service". Also getting placed factors in multiple things some external and some internal. If the GDP tanks in a year then companies wont come for recruitment. What will you do then? wait for college to get you placed or try your luck. Also once you do get out of these colleges you are in a better position to leverage your degree (actually diploma) with recruiters. As for the comment on high fees, you want to enjoy excellent infrastructure and not pay for it? Government does not subsidize IIM's thus the high fees. This decision is taken by IIM's so that government does not dictate them. 5. Institution asking companies to pay for placement. This is a tricky one, I would try to simplify the answer. Think of IIM's as a platform business model where they are connecting Students with the companies. Now by doing this they are reducing the search cost for the companies and providing them "supposedly" good managers. For students they are getting a plethora of companies to choose from. Now this is essentially a discovery platform and they are changing the companies because they are willing to pay. Also this fee goes into improvement and upkeeping of the college. 6. Student who opt out of process are under no threat. Obviously there might be cases where a student was not placed and institute to keep its image would say that they opted out. But in such scenarios I have seen and heard placement committee members trying extra hard for that guy and arrange companies for him after the placement week. But there are many people who have their own startups or use their personal connections to secure a job and sign out of the process to make it easier for others. 7. Well IIM B has an audit committee and they look into it. I would be honest and say that I too have no information on this topic. But I believe in the audit committee's work. 8. An interesting question, I think (I might be wrong on this one) it is because if you extend it then students will not study and yes placement committee is aware of the stress that student go through (it is a student body committee why wont they know??) Incidentally, you yourself have stated that it is an add on benefit so it is upon the administration to have a stance and stick to it. Also there are 2 separate placement processes, laterals where people with experience (in IIM B thats 22 months for our batch) would appear for and it starts in January and continues till the final placement, for freshers there is only final placement. Be rest assured people in laterals feel very tired of the process and there have been cases where a student has appeared for more then 15 companies in lateral and not been selected. Selection process in lateral is also very long (for finals also) there are GD then activities and then interviews. It can take a whole day, so what essentially IIM's are doing is saving you time and you get to give all GD's and interviews in a single day. Is it the best way, I doubt it but I am against it being stretched. 9. Attendance in preplacement talk - well study Game theory, you are doing it for the greater good. Be honest with me, name the companies that you know? There are many good companies which people havent even heard about. We all think we know everything but honestly we are an ignorant lot. Coming back to the question say a company whose name you havent heard of comes, will you attend its ppt or complete that pending assignment? Now from perspective of the company, if students are not interested in coming to their ppt's why should they recruit. So there goes 3-4 job offers. Now this scenario will play repeatedly and you will have bumper audience in Bain, BCG, Mckinsey, Pepsico, P&G and co. 10. Well they should be polite, I am with you on this one. 11. You are pretty enchanted by fair process. Think of it in this way, if you believe that market can allocate the resources fairly then the process is fair, cause what IIM's do is create a market for its students. Companies value the product of IIMs and buy them (quite literally :P), there may be some information asymmetry but being a market it would try to return to an equilibrium and thus "try" to become fair. It is not completely fair and one may feel cheated, but it is quite close to it.

24 Apr 2017, 08.29 AM

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Vikas Srivastava

Aptly put. This whole article just reeks of hypocrisy, frustration and ignorance.

26 Apr 2017, 08.24 AM |

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Miti Vaidya

Miti Vaidya is an alumnus of XLRI School of Business (Batch of 2011). She is currently loving her job as Product Manager of Konversations.com and is part of the leadership team at InsideIIM-Konversations. Prior to this, Miti spent 5 years with the Tata Group as part of the prestigious TAS programme. A graduate from Narsee Monjee College of Commerce & Economics (Batch of 2007), Miti has also completed her C.A.

Uncomfortable, but nevertheless relevant questions.

24 Apr 2017, 02.54 AM

Mohammad Kashif

1. Target - To get everyone placed 2. Violent shouting, haven't faced that. It does feel sometimes that they are bit pushy but then they have a tough job. 3. Free and fair to a great extent yes. There are times when they do favor someone but come placement week be rest assured these people would push for you in companies where you were not even shortlisted (you wont consider that unfair would you? ) 4. To be honest this question reeks of hypocrisy now. Main purpose of any educational institution is to impart education. Jobs are a fringe benefits. You must try studying in US colleges where they don't provide this "service". Also getting placed factors in multiple things some external and some internal. If the GDP tanks in a year then companies wont come for recruitment. What will you do then? wait for college to get you placed or try your luck. Also once you do get out of these colleges you are in a better position to leverage your degree (actually diploma) with recruiters. As for the comment on high fees, you want to enjoy excellent infrastructure and not pay for it? Government does not subsidize IIM's thus the high fees. This decision is taken by IIM's so that government does not dictate them. 5. Institution asking companies to pay for placement. This is a tricky one, I would try to simplify the answer. Think of IIM's as a platform business model where they are connecting Students with the companies. Now by doing this they are reducing the search cost for the companies and providing them "supposedly" good managers. For students they are getting a plethora of companies to choose from. Now this is essentially a discovery platform and they are changing the companies because they are willing to pay. Also this fee goes into improvement and upkeeping of the college. 6. Student who opt out of process are under no threat. Obviously there might be cases where a student was not placed and institute to keep its image would say that they opted out. But in such scenarios I have seen and heard placement committee members trying extra hard for that guy and arrange companies for him after the placement week. But there are many people who have their own startups or use their personal connections to secure a job and sign out of the process to make it easier for others. 7. Well IIM B has an audit committee and they look into it. I would be honest and say that I too have no information on this topic. But I believe in the audit committee's work. 8. An interesting question, I think (I might be wrong on this one) it is because if you extend it then students will not study and yes placement committee is aware of the stress that student go through (it is a student body committee why wont they know??) Incidentally, you yourself have stated that it is an add on benefit so it is upon the administration to have a stance and stick to it. Also there are 2 separate placement processes, laterals where people with experience (in IIM B thats 22 months for our batch) would appear for and it starts in January and continues till the final placement, for freshers there is only final placement. Be rest assured people in laterals feel very tired of the process and there have been cases where a student has appeared for more then 15 companies in lateral and not been selected. Selection process in lateral is also very long (for finals also) there are GD then activities and then interviews. It can take a whole day, so what essentially IIM's are doing is saving you time and you get to give all GD's and interviews in a single day. Is it the best way, I doubt it but I am against it being stretched. 9. Attendance in preplacement talk - well study Game theory, you are doing it for the greater good. Be honest with me, name the companies that you know? There are many good companies which people havent even heard about. We all think we know everything but honestly we are an ignorant lot. Coming back to the question say a company whose name you havent heard of comes, will you attend its ppt or complete that pending assignment? Now from perspective of the company, if students are not interested in coming to their ppt's why should they recruit. So there goes 3-4 job offers. Now this scenario will play repeatedly and you will have bumper audience in Bain, BCG, Mckinsey, Pepsico, P&G and co. 10. Well they should be polite, I am with you on this one. 11. You are pretty enchanted by fair process. Think of it in this way, if you believe that market can allocate the resources fairly then the process is fair, cause what IIM's do is create a market for its students. Companies value the product of IIMs and buy them (quite literally :P), there may be some information asymmetry but being a market it would try to return to an equilibrium and thus "try" to become fair. It is not completely fair and one may feel cheated, but it is quite close to it.

24 Apr 2017, 08.29 AM

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Vikas Srivastava

Aptly put. This whole article just reeks of hypocrisy, frustration and ignorance.

26 Apr 2017, 08.24 AM |