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Battle 1 : IIM Lucknow vs FMS Delhi - Top business schools in India and their alumni perpetuate a culture of elitism (FOR)

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Karan

One has to admit that students from a lot of IIMs/other Bschools do not go through the same academic rigour as the ones at the Top IIMs. Also, elitism is perpetuated as a function of what sells in the market. You need a team working on your multi-million dollar deal which hails from institutes which are globally known. You can't fault companies that only visit few places as only those places are known. It's the law of the market.

3 Aug 2012, 01.12 PM

Pro-meritocracy

Some highly irrelevant points put forth in the counterpunch by FMS team. They are talking about the controversy-free FMS entrance examinations. Have they ever analyzed the extent of repetition which happened in the RC and VA sections of FMS entrance, not talking about the pathetic quality of quantitative questions. It amounted to such an extent that complete RCs and multiple choice Grammar questions were repeated in the exam.Supposedly they were selecting the students best suited for MBA after shortlisting on the basis of this weird paper and giving the candidate a chance of mere 5-7 minutes in an interview. It was sheer elitism to create furore on inclusion in CAT. There is no need to re-iterate the point related to placements where big firms do visit select few colleges. The counterpunch by IIML very well takes care of this argument via guesstimate.

3 Aug 2012, 01.25 PM

waynerooney10

IIML logic sounds better......

3 Aug 2012, 10.45 PM

Kunal

I do not think that any of the IIMS foster among their students any culture of elitism whereby they would look down upon students from any other college or exhibit any kind of arrogance while talking to people from difference social segments . Studying in an IIM i can couch for that. Arrogance is a matter of personal attributional orientation and associating this behavior with the culture of any college will be outright inaccurate. In any case, i do not think the word arrogance in any way is a measure of whether the top-tier IIMs( and I use this phrase only because it has already been used in the discussion) are elitist or not. While I appreciate IIML's approach of taking the issue of elitism from an administration from an administrative perspective there are enough and more instances such as the mentoring of newer IIMs by the older IIMs, provision for visiting faculty that demonstrate the responsibility that the older IIMs have willingly taken upon themselves. It is debatable if this was indeed thrust upon them by the govt but given the degree of autonomy they enjoy they could well have refrained from the commitment. To my mind, a perception of 'elitism' has been created by people outside the A,B,C system since for years many of the top banks and consulting firms had visited these campuses and recruited students in good number. While such a thing has only now started to happen at the relatively newer IIMs. It is not so much about the elitism they exude as much as it is about the 'elitism' that is forced upon them because of the perceived exclusivity of placements. Thank you

3 Aug 2012, 11.08 PM

Random Thought

According to the IIM L logic...The fact that InsideIIM has only a few specific b-schools featured may also be called 'Elitism'. :)

4 Aug 2012, 12.57 AM

Mihir Mehta

Yeah thats true

4 Aug 2012, 11.14 AM

gaurav

the argument about consulting profiles put by the guys from iim lucknow seems true..!!

4 Aug 2012, 08.46 PM

Sunny

B-Schools like IIMs and FMS have build their reputation over the years. That's why they are elite. Just because some new B-Schools have IIM in their name, doesn't entitle them same reputation as the older IIMs.

18 Oct 2012, 12.38 PM

neha

which iim to prefer indore or lucknow ???????

15 Jan 2013, 05.08 PM

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Comments
 

Karan

One has to admit that students from a lot of IIMs/other Bschools do not go through the same academic rigour as the ones at the Top IIMs. Also, elitism is perpetuated as a function of what sells in the market. You need a team working on your multi-million dollar deal which hails from institutes which are globally known. You can't fault companies that only visit few places as only those places are known. It's the law of the market.

3 Aug 2012, 01.12 PM

Pro-meritocracy

Some highly irrelevant points put forth in the counterpunch by FMS team. They are talking about the controversy-free FMS entrance examinations. Have they ever analyzed the extent of repetition which happened in the RC and VA sections of FMS entrance, not talking about the pathetic quality of quantitative questions. It amounted to such an extent that complete RCs and multiple choice Grammar questions were repeated in the exam.Supposedly they were selecting the students best suited for MBA after shortlisting on the basis of this weird paper and giving the candidate a chance of mere 5-7 minutes in an interview. It was sheer elitism to create furore on inclusion in CAT. There is no need to re-iterate the point related to placements where big firms do visit select few colleges. The counterpunch by IIML very well takes care of this argument via guesstimate.

3 Aug 2012, 01.25 PM

waynerooney10

IIML logic sounds better......

3 Aug 2012, 10.45 PM

Kunal

I do not think that any of the IIMS foster among their students any culture of elitism whereby they would look down upon students from any other college or exhibit any kind of arrogance while talking to people from difference social segments . Studying in an IIM i can couch for that. Arrogance is a matter of personal attributional orientation and associating this behavior with the culture of any college will be outright inaccurate. In any case, i do not think the word arrogance in any way is a measure of whether the top-tier IIMs( and I use this phrase only because it has already been used in the discussion) are elitist or not. While I appreciate IIML's approach of taking the issue of elitism from an administration from an administrative perspective there are enough and more instances such as the mentoring of newer IIMs by the older IIMs, provision for visiting faculty that demonstrate the responsibility that the older IIMs have willingly taken upon themselves. It is debatable if this was indeed thrust upon them by the govt but given the degree of autonomy they enjoy they could well have refrained from the commitment. To my mind, a perception of 'elitism' has been created by people outside the A,B,C system since for years many of the top banks and consulting firms had visited these campuses and recruited students in good number. While such a thing has only now started to happen at the relatively newer IIMs. It is not so much about the elitism they exude as much as it is about the 'elitism' that is forced upon them because of the perceived exclusivity of placements. Thank you

3 Aug 2012, 11.08 PM

Random Thought

According to the IIM L logic...The fact that InsideIIM has only a few specific b-schools featured may also be called 'Elitism'. :)

4 Aug 2012, 12.57 AM

Mihir Mehta

Yeah thats true

4 Aug 2012, 11.14 AM

gaurav

the argument about consulting profiles put by the guys from iim lucknow seems true..!!

4 Aug 2012, 08.46 PM

Sunny

B-Schools like IIMs and FMS have build their reputation over the years. That's why they are elite. Just because some new B-Schools have IIM in their name, doesn't entitle them same reputation as the older IIMs.

18 Oct 2012, 12.38 PM

neha

which iim to prefer indore or lucknow ???????

15 Jan 2013, 05.08 PM