Battle 5 - IIM Calcutta v/s XLRI Jamshedpur - There should be 1/3rd reservation for women in Business Schools in India (AGAINST)


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Adarsh Nair

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7 Aug, 2012 |


Madhumita

We completely agree with you Adarsh. Thanks for supporting our point of view regarding 1/3 reservation for women.

8 Aug, 2012 |


@AfzalHu98096045

We have posted our reply to your comment here: <a href="http://insideiim.com/im-calcutta-vs-xlri-jamshedpur-there-should-be-13rd-reservation-for-women-in-business-schools-in-india-for/" rel="nofollow">http://insideiim.com/im-calcutta-vs-xlri-jamshedp...</a>

8 Aug, 2012 |


Sachin Gupta

1. Going by your logic that Ivy league female MBA grads came through purely on merit implies that an average Indian b-school should also have a similar distribution (i.e 2:1). However, when we witness abysmally low representation in our classrooms it means either Indian women are not &quot;so&quot; meritorious on a an average or that our women face tougher hurdles in their race to the top. Sanity prevailing, we&#039;d accept that given our historical bias the latter should be a more reasonable guess. Hence, in order to correct the past wrongdoings, women must be given a head-start into the race i.e positive-discrimination. Life is not as short as a 100m race, its a marathon and only time shall judge how well our decisions fared. 2. Countering your second argument on education and empowerment having no correlation. Seriously? We should probably re-consider RTE then! Look at the impact Kalpana Chawla, Kiran Bedi etc have had on an entire generation. Now understand more highly educated women each year would translate into 100s of such role models for the next generation. This will have two reinforcing effects - Women more resilient in fending off challenges themselves and also the society shall get rid of long impending stigma around the burden of raising a girl-child. Eventually, less societal bias. 3. Free Markets : Free markets are only successful in a market place where all buyers and sellers have limited (&amp;equal) bargaining power else it leads to collusion and predatory practices. Now, do we really think men and women in India (at large) have an equal footing when they sit in front of that computer taking the exam?

8 Aug, 2012 |

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Team XLRI

Team XLRI: 1. The reason we see poor female representation in our classrooms is the historical bias prevailing in our society against women. Now in the context of the present topic of debate the question is &quot; Does reserving 1/3rd of seats in B schools help in diluting or eliminating this bias&quot;. The answer is no because a women who has been at the receiving end of such bias will not be in a position to receive the benefits of such reservation at the post graduate level because she needs to cross many hurdles before reaching such a stage. Hence wont it be a better option to provide benefits to such women in the earlier stages of their education like primary , secondary , higher secondary etc , here we will not dilute the quality of our B schools and also will empower these women to compete with their male counter parts at an equal footing. 2. We never said that education doesn&#039;t empower women , our argument was that reservation for women in premier B schools doesn&#039;t lead to female empowerment because of the reasons stated in our argument. Secondly women like kalpana chawla and kiran bedi have fought against the gender bias in the society without any benefits like reservation and that is the reason they are considered role models. While we agree with your view that more highly educated women would translate into more role models , this would only be possible if those women have the potential to receive such top class education, and she would be looked up to by other women when she is seen competing neck to neck with men. Take the example of barkha dutt who is one of the most respected journalists in India and a role model to many women because she is one of the best in her profession, if she didn&#039;t have the capability that she presently has but still she gets through because of reservation would she still be a role model. 3. Men and women appearing for a B school admission test have an equal footing as far the capability of both the groups are concerned however women in general are disadvantaged due to the social bias, nevertheless the women who still appear for the exam have either overcome the bias or have never faced it due to their societal and family circumstances.So why reserve seats in B schools for such women.

8 Aug, 2012 |


Madhumita

As far as we are aware of the rules, the comments section is for the audience giving in their views and not for IIM-C coming up with further questions. CounterPunch was supposed to be the last place where you give in your counter. Please correct me if I am wrong. However, since the question has come up, the response is, the B-Schools that we have quoted do not have official reservations for females. For further clarification, kindly check in their websites or their official selection process guidelines. The question here was on &quot;1/3 reservation for women in B-Schools&quot; and our response is pretty clear on that aspect. Thank You Madhumita

8 Aug, 2012 |

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Team XLRI

Team XLRI: 1. The reason we see poor female representation in our classrooms is the historical bias prevailing in our society against women. Now in the context of the present topic of debate the question is &quot; Does reserving 1/3rd of seats in B schools help in diluting or eliminating this bias&quot;. The answer is no because a women who has been at the receiving end of such bias will not be in a position to receive the benefits of such reservation at the post graduate level because she needs to cross many hurdles before reaching such a stage. Hence wont it be a better option to provide benefits to such women in the earlier stages of their education like primary , secondary , higher secondary etc , here we will not dilute the quality of our B schools and also will empower these women to compete with their male counter parts at an equal footing. 2. We never said that education doesn&#039;t empower women , our argument was that reservation for women in premier B schools doesn&#039;t lead to female empowerment because of the reasons stated in our argument. Secondly women like kalpana chawla and kiran bedi have fought against the gender bias in the society without any benefits like reservation and that is the reason they are considered role models. While we agree with your view that more highly educated women would translate into more role models , this would only be possible if those women have the potential to receive such top class education, and she would be looked up to by other women when she is seen competing neck to neck with men. Take the example of barkha dutt who is one of the most respected journalists in India and a role model to many women because she is one of the best in her profession, if she didn&#039;t have the capability that she presently has but still she gets through because of reservation would she still be a role model. 3. Men and women appearing for a B school admission test have an equal footing as far the capability of both the groups are concerned however women in general are disadvantaged due to the social bias, nevertheless the women who still appear for the exam have either overcome the bias or have never faced it due to their societal and family circumstances.So why reserve seats in B schools for such women.

8 Aug, 2012 |

@InsideIIM

Yes. Madhumita is right. There is no concept of counter to a counterpunch. No team is expected to respond to a counterpunch as per the rules. However, you are free to comment and respond to comments in this section.

8 Aug, 2012 |


@AfzalHu98096045

Congrats XL!!!

8 Aug, 2012 |