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Battle #2 Only Graduates should be allowed to contest elections. - IIT Kanpur - FOR

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Ansuman Mishra

Isn't it a bit harsh to assume that people with degrees(graduation) are the only people with knowledge? And what we gain from a degree is technical insights or just facts as such. Can a graduation guarantee an efficient leader? A leader is someone who has the potential to lead his team to a common goal. Moreover, looking for a little different perspective, the topic never mentioned just political battles.Elections could be in any field, sports, music, art, the sole objective of which is to select a leader or representative. I agree knowledge and motivation is necessary for the same, but a degree stamp is just a secondary requirement, not a prime necessity. It will be too judgemental to categorise non-graduates as "less deserving" people

26 Aug 2014, 02.08 PM

Vinti Narula

I strongly believe that there should be a literate politician, but why enforce graduation on it. Many non graduates have turned around our lives by bringing in ground breaking innovations. People like Micheal Dell, Steve Jobs etc. don't have a graduate degree. Moreover, we all know that in India obtaining a graduation degree by unfair means isn't that hard, so what difference will a graduation make.

26 Aug 2014, 07.12 PM

Prem Anand

Fun loving..

Its good to have a graduate politician but not a must have, I say. Perhaps having one doesn't make a person erudite enough. If he is from the grass roots, he can very well make a difference. There were many examples in the past and in the present as well Lets take "Perunthalaivar Kamarajar" ,CM of TN for 3 consecutive terms, was a school drop out. But he strove to eradicate illiteracy by introducing free and compulsory education upto eleventh standard. He introduced the Midday Meals Scheme to provide at least one meal per day to the lakhs of poor children. He introduced free school uniforms to weed out caste, creed and class distinctions among young minds So as long as a politician is accustomed with the fundamental problems the masses face and works towards an egalitarian society, qualification does not make a difference

26 Aug 2014, 09.33 PM

Ketan Bagga

Lead Coordinator, Public Relations Team, MBA IIT Kanpur

@Ansuman, do we interpret your statement as, graduation made no difference to you, other than providing you some technical knowledge and mumbling of some facts which you could have googled anyway. Because in our case, graduation taught us many a things including how to work in teams, how to logically approach problems, the basic knowledge of a wide variety of subjects, of course (not necessarily technical, if you can broaden your horizon and look at other degree courses than only engineering). Your second point is so valid, that it was actually the first one which hit our heads while writing this article. But then I remember, I fought my first elections at school to be a "Class Monitor" and then a "House Captain" and so on. So going by your logic, we should have argued for graduation being mandatory at those elections as well? Since we are aware of the national debates going on this particular topic, for a long time now, so we interpreted the topic in the same way rather than being lost into unnecessary debate of making graduation mandatory for any kind of elections being conducted in the country. We'd have been happier if you raised the same question; 'It will be too judgemental to categorise non-graduates as “less deserving" people'; when government offices offer the menial roles, and ask for minimum eligibility criteria as graduation. No where they mean to say that "non graduates" are "less deserving" for that particular job, however it is evident that certain amount of academic qualification is always preffered over no qualification at all. Now for deciding that minimum eligibility, one can always get into debate.

27 Aug 2014, 11.01 AM

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Ansuman Mishra

@ketan: 1- I appreciate your opinion. But let me clarify, I never said graduation doesn't do any good from my perspective, it was from the perspective of how it would help a political leader. And in fact, it is talking about graduation being a must criteria for elections, not how, it is for me.No doubt, it could be an added advantage, but that doesn't make it a reason for making it the sole criteria. And of course, technical means "specialised knowledge" of applied arts and sciences, not just engineering. 2- Of course, we do have a very good "sense" of logic not to bring in topics of "Class monitor" in here, noone is that naive. And of course, we all know where the national debate is going on. But my point was to prove that a leader or a representative, in many fields (not just politics) can do without "graduation", not to defy your point. Its looking at a broader perspective, the bigger picture, not confine our horizon.For example, Sachin Tendulkar was poor in academics, but still exceptional in his own area and hence a representative of the Indian Cricket team. 3- My point of mentioning less deserving came from the statement you quoted "Going by the History Plato, in his book “Republic”, has described very well the consequences of running such a system, which is governed by the less deserving people. " More so,your point doesn't clarify why politicians must have a graduation degree, but rather dwindles into another arguement that if government officials have minimum criteria, then so should have politicians.

27 Aug 2014, 03.52 PM |

Ketan Bagga

Lead Coordinator, Public Relations Team, MBA IIT Kanpur

Thank you @Vinti for demanding a literate politician in the first place, because we had hard time convincing people for the same. We completely agree that many a non graduates have turned around our lives with their works across the globe. And we also have tried to put forth that argument in the latter part of our article (if you can go through it once). Now the examples you gave here, are innovators and they love doing the things by experimenting (which we won’t want to be done at the heart of country’s decision making process). Also, these people did impact the running of their economies. But they were never leading their respective countries at the highest levels, which is very much the debate right now. Last but not the least, we can’t help but to quote Robert Frost here; “Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.” Assuming that you’re a graduate; you must realize what difference a graduation can make. The point of obtaining fake degrees by unfair means is well taken, but we’re sure that such things will certainly improve in future if we continue our demand of highly educated people to lead us upfront. Change is very much required, as is evident from your first line itself, and it has to be bring in this way, in our opinion.

27 Aug 2014, 11.17 AM

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Ansuman Mishra

Isn't it a bit harsh to assume that people with degrees(graduation) are the only people with knowledge? And what we gain from a degree is technical insights or just facts as such. Can a graduation guarantee an efficient leader? A leader is someone who has the potential to lead his team to a common goal. Moreover, looking for a little different perspective, the topic never mentioned just political battles.Elections could be in any field, sports, music, art, the sole objective of which is to select a leader or representative. I agree knowledge and motivation is necessary for the same, but a degree stamp is just a secondary requirement, not a prime necessity. It will be too judgemental to categorise non-graduates as "less deserving" people

26 Aug 2014, 02.08 PM

Vinti Narula

I strongly believe that there should be a literate politician, but why enforce graduation on it. Many non graduates have turned around our lives by bringing in ground breaking innovations. People like Micheal Dell, Steve Jobs etc. don't have a graduate degree. Moreover, we all know that in India obtaining a graduation degree by unfair means isn't that hard, so what difference will a graduation make.

26 Aug 2014, 07.12 PM

Prem Anand

Fun loving..

Its good to have a graduate politician but not a must have, I say. Perhaps having one doesn't make a person erudite enough. If he is from the grass roots, he can very well make a difference. There were many examples in the past and in the present as well Lets take "Perunthalaivar Kamarajar" ,CM of TN for 3 consecutive terms, was a school drop out. But he strove to eradicate illiteracy by introducing free and compulsory education upto eleventh standard. He introduced the Midday Meals Scheme to provide at least one meal per day to the lakhs of poor children. He introduced free school uniforms to weed out caste, creed and class distinctions among young minds So as long as a politician is accustomed with the fundamental problems the masses face and works towards an egalitarian society, qualification does not make a difference

26 Aug 2014, 09.33 PM

Ketan Bagga

Lead Coordinator, Public Relations Team, MBA IIT Kanpur

@Ansuman, do we interpret your statement as, graduation made no difference to you, other than providing you some technical knowledge and mumbling of some facts which you could have googled anyway. Because in our case, graduation taught us many a things including how to work in teams, how to logically approach problems, the basic knowledge of a wide variety of subjects, of course (not necessarily technical, if you can broaden your horizon and look at other degree courses than only engineering). Your second point is so valid, that it was actually the first one which hit our heads while writing this article. But then I remember, I fought my first elections at school to be a "Class Monitor" and then a "House Captain" and so on. So going by your logic, we should have argued for graduation being mandatory at those elections as well? Since we are aware of the national debates going on this particular topic, for a long time now, so we interpreted the topic in the same way rather than being lost into unnecessary debate of making graduation mandatory for any kind of elections being conducted in the country. We'd have been happier if you raised the same question; 'It will be too judgemental to categorise non-graduates as “less deserving" people'; when government offices offer the menial roles, and ask for minimum eligibility criteria as graduation. No where they mean to say that "non graduates" are "less deserving" for that particular job, however it is evident that certain amount of academic qualification is always preffered over no qualification at all. Now for deciding that minimum eligibility, one can always get into debate.

27 Aug 2014, 11.01 AM

+Read Replies (1)

Ansuman Mishra

@ketan: 1- I appreciate your opinion. But let me clarify, I never said graduation doesn't do any good from my perspective, it was from the perspective of how it would help a political leader. And in fact, it is talking about graduation being a must criteria for elections, not how, it is for me.No doubt, it could be an added advantage, but that doesn't make it a reason for making it the sole criteria. And of course, technical means "specialised knowledge" of applied arts and sciences, not just engineering. 2- Of course, we do have a very good "sense" of logic not to bring in topics of "Class monitor" in here, noone is that naive. And of course, we all know where the national debate is going on. But my point was to prove that a leader or a representative, in many fields (not just politics) can do without "graduation", not to defy your point. Its looking at a broader perspective, the bigger picture, not confine our horizon.For example, Sachin Tendulkar was poor in academics, but still exceptional in his own area and hence a representative of the Indian Cricket team. 3- My point of mentioning less deserving came from the statement you quoted "Going by the History Plato, in his book “Republic”, has described very well the consequences of running such a system, which is governed by the less deserving people. " More so,your point doesn't clarify why politicians must have a graduation degree, but rather dwindles into another arguement that if government officials have minimum criteria, then so should have politicians.

27 Aug 2014, 03.52 PM |

Ketan Bagga

Lead Coordinator, Public Relations Team, MBA IIT Kanpur

Thank you @Vinti for demanding a literate politician in the first place, because we had hard time convincing people for the same. We completely agree that many a non graduates have turned around our lives with their works across the globe. And we also have tried to put forth that argument in the latter part of our article (if you can go through it once). Now the examples you gave here, are innovators and they love doing the things by experimenting (which we won’t want to be done at the heart of country’s decision making process). Also, these people did impact the running of their economies. But they were never leading their respective countries at the highest levels, which is very much the debate right now. Last but not the least, we can’t help but to quote Robert Frost here; “Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.” Assuming that you’re a graduate; you must realize what difference a graduation can make. The point of obtaining fake degrees by unfair means is well taken, but we’re sure that such things will certainly improve in future if we continue our demand of highly educated people to lead us upfront. Change is very much required, as is evident from your first line itself, and it has to be bring in this way, in our opinion.

27 Aug 2014, 11.17 AM